This article reflects a conversation between Andries G. van Aarde and Theuns F.J. Dreyer.
Dreyer was professor of Practical Theology in the period 1983 to 1999, and director of the
Reformed Theological College at the Faculty of Theology, University of Pretoria from
January 2000 until his retirement in January 2012. The article aims to demonstrate the shifts
in Practical Theology and how these changes influenced Dreyer and, on the other hand, how
Dreyer himself was the campaigner of the progress in teaching and training of ministers of the
Netherdutch Reformed Church of Africa during the past three decades.